EP081 | Healing Beyond Protocols: Dr. Sandra Scheinbaum on the Power of Coaching, Community, and Body Trust

What if the biggest shift in your chronic illness healing isn’t a new protocol—but a new kind of support?

In this episode, I’m joined by Dr. Sandra Scheinbaum, founder of the Functional Medicine Coaching Academy (FMCA), who has spent nearly 50 years helping people heal through lifestyle change, behavior science, and compassionate partnership.

We explore why so many women feel unseen in traditional healthcare and how health coaching fills that gap by creating space for listening, self-efficacy, and simple, sustainable change.

In this conversation, we talk about:

 • Why chronic illness care must go beyond “pill for every ill”
 • The daily lifestyle shifts that create meaningful transformation
 • How coaching fosters empowerment instead of dependence
 • The ripple effect: how one person’s healing changes a family and community
 • Why advice alone doesn’t work—and what actually does
 • The future of coaching, including AI + human connection
 • How community and group support accelerate healing
 • Why anyone—at any age or background—can become a coach

Dr. Scheinbaum’s message is clear: healing becomes possible when we feel heard, supported, and empowered to take charge of our health. This episode is an invitation to rethink what’s possible when simplicity and body wisdom lead the way.

Resources & Next Steps:

 • Download The Body's Whisper Starter Kit
• Book a 20-min Clarity Call
• Explore a Healing Roadmap Session to personalise your next steps

Simplify Wellness, Amplify Life.

Chapters

• 2:38 Why chronic illness isn’t solved by “a pill for every ill”
• 3:04 The 5 lifestyle drivers of inflammation
• 5:04 What functional medicine actually does
• 5:27 The role of the health coach in healing
• 6:47 “People don’t feel heard” — the human touch that doctors lack
• 7:54 The menopause training crisis in medicine
• 8:54 “You’re in the driver’s seat” — self-efficacy in coaching
• 10:10 The ripple effect of healing
• 19:31 Coaching ≠ advice. Coaching = collaboration.
• 24:17 Why health data overwhelms people
• 30:48 “Community is more important than food”
• 34:52 Final reflections + next steps

Transcript

Welcome, welcome. Uh, Sandra, it's such a pleasure. Such an honor to have you here today. It's like a full circle moment for me. And, um. Yeah, I mean, I started, uh, with FMC all those years back in 2017, your second cohort and, uh, the first functional medicine certified health coach in India. So I can't I can't tell you how excited I am to have you here today. Welcome, Sandra. 

Welcome to Embrace Your Healing Journey, a podcast for women with autoimmune and other chronic conditions to help them navigate their illness without fear of isolation and uncertainty, and find relief from their symptoms. Your body is your guide and ally in healing. If you are ready to embrace this journey with compassion and awareness, then this show is for you. Tune in weekly as I, a Functional medicine Certified Health Coach, deliver tips and insights that demystify the healing process, guiding you towards the relief you deserve so that you can feel healthy and happy once more. Thank you so much. The pleasure is mine. It's a joy to be with you and Anindita. And before we get started, a little introduction. For those of you who may be new to your. What? Sandra has done incredible work. Uh, so, doctor Sandra Sheinbaum is the founder and CEO of the Functional Medicine Coaching Academy and a leader in the health in the field of health coaching and educator, clinical psychologist, author and public speaker for nearly 50 years. And this is the part that has inspired me the most, that, uh, you know, you founded FMC at age 65 and, uh, you know, you're on a mission to grow health coaching profession so that millions of people actually get the support they need that they deserve to lead healthier lives. And that's why we are both here today to talk about coaching, to talk about, uh, FMC and your book, actually, I mean, I wanted to also talk about that. Your health coach will see you now. I love the title of the book. So thank you. Like you to share about, you know, those who are new to you, your mission, the reason that you built FMC, whatever you would like to share to get started. Well, thank you for that introduction. And yes, I have been in this field for nearly 50 years. I was a clinical psychologist and I was a health psychologist. And so I saw people who were diagnosed with physical conditions such as migraine headaches, for example, or irritable bowel syndrome, and found that focusing on how they live their lives day to day made the crucial difference. So it was not getting a pill for every ill. It was not having somebody tell you you have a diagnosis, you're broken and you need to be fixed, which is what often happened even in psychotherapy world. But the idea that these simple things that could be changed, they could you could change your daily habits. And what are those areas those areas have to do with the food choices you make, how you move throughout the day, and what exercise you're doing or not doing your sleep. Are you prioritizing sleep as well as stress that's in your life? How are you interpreting the stressful events that inevitably take place and what is what are your relationships like? Do you have meaningful relationships? Do you have meaning and purpose in your life? And if you address those factors, then your health improves substantially, not only physical health, mental health as well. And what we have seen is the explosion in chronic diseases. These are the diseases that modern medicine. Not equipped to take care of. So if you feel you may be having a heart attack, or if you break your leg or you think it's broken, you get the best of medical acute care medicine. That is what they excel in, which is increasingly being driven by AI. And there's a really exciting developments in that arena. But what about if you are diagnosed with one of those chronic conditions, like type two diabetes, for example, what if you are overweight and you don't have to be weighing a lot as measured by a scale? You can be skinny fat and that. I was one of those where you look skinny on the outside, but you have a lot of fat on the inside. You are under muscled and that is a big problem. And that often leads to disease states. And these are the conditions that are not easy to fix in chronic in acute care medicine. In other words, it's not a simple matter of just like, oh, taking a pill and you will be fine because these conditions tend to lead to other conditions. And so what is the what we do in functional medicine is we dig down to the root causes of these conditions, which are often inflammation. What drives the inflammation. It often is those lifestyle factors that I mentioned. And so that's where the health coach comes in. They are the ones who address lifestyle. They're specialists in behavior change. And the way they do that is often remarkably simple. It's listening. People often don't feel heard. Often they don't feel heard by their doctors. We're facing an incredible shortage of doctors. And so the health coaches, that human touch, that human element where you are feeling listened to, heard and understood. I think you know what? Because I've been through the training so I can completely relate to what you are saying. But I think one of the things that I want to go back to when I did my FCA training and we'll come back again to the present, is I thought I knew how to listen till I started the program, and, and coaches were taught how to listen. And I think you're absolutely right. And I we've talked about bedside manners in your book because that's something that has gone missing. Um, and the multiple things, of course, there is that, you know, that there's no quick fix for or there's no one factor for chronic conditions. That is why you cannot go and get a prescription, take a medicine and get well that it doesn't work like that. And the other thing is, you're right, people are not just being heard. And healing starts when, uh, you know, people feel hurt. People feel pain. So, uh, if you can just take us back to when you started FMC, what did you envision that this movement would become? And where are we today? And, you know, and what do you make? What made you first realize you talked about it a bit, but and you you want to share that health care needed need health coaches just as they need doctors. So yes. Yes. So uh, my vision, which still today is to see a health coach in every doctor's office. Uh, let's take one example, and that is menopause. The average person today going to medical school gets about the average medical school would get about four hours. That's it in menopause. We have a whole generation of doctors who are gynecologists and they are not trained in menopause. They are trained to do procedures. They are trained to give out birth control pills, for example. But as far as this whole population of women in midlife and beyond, they do not have the training. And of course, we have changes that have taken place where initially we had the women's health study, which showed that hormone replacement causes cancer and other issues. So people were scared and doctors were scared to prescribe. And to a large extent, that's true today. And so what health coaches do, they provide? They in addition to being those listeners, they're the ones who can provide education. They can support people. If somebody is confused, like, I don't know, is this, um, tell me what this means. I see the headline that, for example, in the United States, they, uh, the FDA, Food and Drug Administration removed the black box Warning, which was this danger sign on on a box with hormone saying that, oh, this will cause cancer. And they removed that. But people may be very confused. And so health coaches can provide clarification. And what's most important is what's so magical about coaching is that the that individual that they are working with is in the driver's seat. They are the ones taking charge. And so what happens in health coaching is people feel empowered. Self-efficacy comes up over and over again in the research. And what that really means is that someone feels like I can take charge of my health. Often people think, oh, it's all in my genes. It's it's my genetics, my family history. There's nothing I can do. I have a history of heart disease or whatever it might be, and I can't do much about it. And the working with a health coach, it has. You have that body recognition? Yes. I can make these changes now for my future self. And so I don't have to be this victim or I don't have to be just at the mercy of whatever the doctor recommends. Uh, there's a colleague, doctor Erica Schwartz. Uh, who has written a book. And, uh, she just revised it. It's an older book, but it's called Don't Let Your Doctor Kill You. And in other words, you become your own advocate and you ask questions you don't just accept. Oh, the doctor's always right. I mean, your hand stuck, but really looking at how you can take control of your health and your family as well, where you are going to see the changes that can take place when you make these lifestyle changes. So again, my vision is to see millions of health coaches, every doctor's office, having a health coach or every person having their own health coach. I just love that vision. I have to tell you that it sort of just warms my heart. I know that you've shared that, uh, but it's so nice to hear that, you know, this is what we are moving towards, and I am really proud to be a part of that movement as well. We do need that. We do need health. And I think one point that you mentioned, which is so critical, which we don't really talk about in terms of self-efficacy in, you know, which is what is actually critical for managing chronic disease. Right. Uh, acute conditions are very different, like you mentioned earlier. But in the case of chronic disease, in fact, it's quite funny in the sense that I had recently reached out to a past client because I was I had, you know, I had created a separate group for a new program that I'm doing. And when I reached out to her, she last worked with me three years back or two, 2 or 3 years back. And she said, you know, actually I'm doing pretty well. Whatever we did in our time together, it's pretty much working for me. So I think, you know, I am I am fine right now. It's like, wow, okay. You know, it's like some of the things that we do with our clients as coaches are so transformative. They are they these are sustainable, uh, tools that we give them, I think, you know, and that's, that's really, really powerful. So I just wanted to share that. And that hat's off to the training, the FMP course and the program. And, um, so just what, um, you know, basically I just wanted to also bring about a bit of a focus on people who want to be coaches as well. Uh, one is from the client point of view, of course, the, you know, the clients that we work with, but someone who wants to become a coach, uh, you know, how would FMC be able to help them? So I want to sort of, you know, move from both directions, I would say. Sure. Well, uh, yeah. So what I absolutely love about this profession is that it is so accessible. Uh, you do not need to have any background whatsoever in health care. In fact, we have some of our best coaches. Um, we're not nurses or doctors or, um, nutrition professionals. They were not in health care. Uh, they might have been lawyers. They might have been. We've had farmers, we have fire fighters. We've had, uh, paramedics. Um, we have, uh, people that you can say paramedics is a pharma is a healthcare. But the people who are coming from corporate world, they've been executives in corporations, they've come from the tech world. They have come from marketing and advertising. Um, and they have they have been, uh, moms who are raising their children and not working. And they have gone through the program. The other thing is that there is no age barrier. So for many people going to go to graduate school, they think, oh, they're too old or they um, we have had people ranging from just out of college or even no college. Um, and you, they are right out of high school sometimes. And we have people in their 80s and even we had a gentleman who is 90 years old, and he went through the course recently and graduated with his granddaughter. And so she ran a preschool, and she wanted to turn that preschool into a center where the whole family could come in and get healthy. And so and he was on board. So we've had so many people like that. And the other thing is that in terms of accessibility, it is affordable compared to what you would spend to get a graduate degree. So to go to school and get, let's say, a master's or a PhD and nutrition, for example, or a my experience to become a psychologist, that is a long road. It's um, and then doing a dissertation and an internship, it could take years and it is quite expensive. And you have student loans when you come out. And so this is something that it's a certificate and you don't have to stop what you're doing. We have people who are raising a family. They're working full time. And we had one woman early on, she was homeschooling five children, and she was also working. And so it is doable on so many levels. So that is why I really love it. And we have people from all over the world, 92 countries now represented. I know I'm. So I mean, it's so nice to hear that. And I am one of those examples who. I mean, I didn't come from a medical background. I came because my daughter was unwell and I was, yes, looking for a solution. And then I'm very fortunate. I first came across functional medicine and eventually health coaching and that and we are having a conversation about that. And, um, yeah. And, and I think one thing that you mentioned, I mean, I wanted to go back to that is the ripple effect. It's not just that one person who changes, whose life changes for the better. And I've seen it happening time and again. And I want you to talk a little bit about that, because I think we underestimate the power of coaching is the effect that it not only has on that person, but on the person's family, on the community. And I've seen that happen. So would you like to share a bit about that? I'm sure you have more examples. Sure. So first of all, it when you study to be a health coach and I know you found this, you yourself are transformed because every time you are with that individual that you are coaching, that interaction, that encounter will transform you. You when you are with somebody and they have that aha moment that they're ready to change, uh, that is so powerful for your sense of meaning and mission and purpose, and that the skills that you learn as a health coach, the communication skills, how to ask questions instead of just always thinking, I'm going to jump in and tell so what to do? Then you start to practice that with your own family and friends and colleagues, and for the person being coached, they will start to make some changes. And that ripple effect is so strong where their their families will now start picking up a that and for example, the foods that they're choosing. Or they might be going out and walking together. But first and foremost, it's a sense of having meaning and purpose in your life. And using we use a model which you know is character strengths and being able to say what's right with me, as opposed to always thinking I'm damaged or there's something wrong with me, which is the medical model that is extremely powerful and it does have that ripple effect. And even to your community, we have people who are going out and making a real difference in their community, often giving talks to the community. You know, you have have done that. You've written a book and and you've started the podcast and, uh, reaching out and having that ripple effect. Yeah. It's huge. It's not small. I mean, that's the reason I wanted to, uh, talk about that. And the other thing that I wanted you to touch upon is because I find this when I, you know, when I talk about coaching, whether it's to my clients or explaining what coaching is and how it can change lives even to practitioners, is the feeling that coaching is about giving advice or only about education? Uh, that's a there are a lot of myths around that. So you I know you've trained thousands of coaches. I mean, I actually I would love to know how many coaches the FMC has trained till now. So, uh, that but what common, uh, mindset blocks have you seen both in clients and coaches that might, you know, keep them stuck? So they might be two different things, but, uh, I would love to know that actually. Sure. Well, they're related. They both have to do with coming in with an agenda, having a pre-set determination. So on the coach's part, let's say you have a strong, uh, belief in, uh, being a vegan. And so even if you're trying hard to be open minded, you might be even through your body language, uh, you might be conveying a message that you are communicating that, uh, this is the way to become a vegan. And in coaching, the beauty of it is it is totally what that person wants. But what people come into coaching, they have been to so many of the experts. In a series of doctors who give them that diagnosis and tell them what to do. Here's your treatment plan. This is what I think you should be doing. Here's what you should be eating. Don't eat this exercise more or lose weight. This is how to do it. So they're being given advice. And for we know that that doesn't work. Because if it worked we would be really healthy. And everybody we wouldn't have skyrocketing rates of obesity and type two diabetes and Alzheimer's disease, for example. And so the giving advice is something that there's a place for it. But the beauty of coaching is that the it is taking that of helping that person really look at, well, you've gotten all, you know, this is what your doctor recommends for you. I want to hear you know, what, what do you think of this and tell me what parts are doable. Tell me what parts are absolutely no go for you and we'll work out a plan. And so it comes from that client. Now they might say, you know, my doctor said this and I don't quite understand what this means. They said, I have this condition and I have to do this. Tell me, you know what? I have to take this supplement, this vitamin. What is it for? And so then the coach will step in and provide that. Or they say, May I make a suggestion? There's some things you could do or you tell me if you're interested in this. And so those are ways that it's a it's a dialogue. It's collaboration. It's not the coaches up here. They're the authority figure. And you are the the. And we say clients to show that coaches are not medical doctors. They have clients instead of patients. So they have but it is a sense of this is an equal partnership. Absolutely. It's a it's a partnership. And actually the example that I have sort of created for myself because it's hard for people to understand, uh, especially in our part of the world, what health coaching is, uh, let alone what functional medicine based health coaching is. So I think the example that I give them is that if you were to suddenly decide to go up trekking up the mountain and you've never trekked before, I'm that guide that can sort of, you know, help you. I am not. But and then I tell them, okay, I'll be supporting you when you need to. I can let go when you don't need my support to that extent. So it's it's like a partnership. It's a collaboration. But and this is the this is the most important point. I am not doing that climb for you. Yes. You are the one that. Absolutely. Yep. That is that is the key. And you mentioned how many we have trained close to 5000 graduates now since we started and growing. Congratulations. We need so many more. And we are now having so many, uh, companies and doctors coming, people coming to us wanting health coaches. So, um, what do you envision for FMC? I mean, because I, I'm going back and forth a bit because I want somebody who's listening to this or watching this, and if you are and you want to become a coach, there will be, uh, you know, the I'll share the link below. Uh, or if you're looking for, uh, you know, uh, support in terms of a coach, you'll get I, I'm hoping that you will get something from here. So what is your vision for the next ten years for FMC? I mean, what what are you thinking? Do you have any plans for India in particular? What are your thoughts? I would love to know. Yeah, yeah, well, we want to grow our community around the world. And, uh, so our plans are to we are also, uh, wanting we support our graduates. And so we have a the people are coming to us increasingly because it is now uh, and like when we started about ten years ago, there is a movement for direct to consumer labs. Now, some of these companies are based in the United States. And at the present time when this is recorded, they may not be offered around the world, but that will change. And what? In other words, the doctor is becoming more like the consultant. And we are seeing that somebody can go make an order a full. Suite of functional medicine lab tests online and they can go to a. Get their blood drawn and then they get the results. We're seeing the growth of AI in in being able to their the AI is better at a diagnosis than an individual doctor. And this is coming. And so this is feeding into this sense of people taking charge of their health and getting with AI precision diagnoses and be able to then the um, make these kind of changes. But the problem comes in. And why we need health coaches is that you're getting all this data and it can be overwhelming. And the average person might give up. This is so confusing. I don't know what to do. I don't know where to go. I need support and that's where the coach comes in. So they they don't order the labs. They're not trained to be medical doctors. We have many doctors though who our health coaches who are coming to be health coaches. But if you do not hold a medical license, you provide that support for somebody where they can become their own advocate and they can say, okay, I'm going to ask for this from my doctor, or the AI report is showing this. Let's have a conversation and see how you feel about this. And so they're that critical role. And so we are having um, this relationship now where companies will be will be able to, uh, have a coach when you get these tests. And that's a trend that I'm seeing right now where coaching is just catching on. And because and for many people as well, um, who need mental support. We have a mental health crisis. And it started during it was a little bit but before before the pandemic. But now it's just that really accelerated the need. And they're not enough therapists. They're not enough people who are in mental health field to support people that are in need. And we have studies coming out that show you have a coach, your anxiety and depression are going to improve. And we're not talking about that population that might be severely manic depressive or schizophrenic that needs medical care, psychiatric care. We're talking about somebody who is just experiencing a little bit of depression. They feel like lost. They feel like nothing's working for them in their life. They get a health coach uses a positive psychology model and the connection between, gee, what you're eating? Or maybe, you know, walking exercise is the best antidepressant. It's better than any medication. And so, um, having that coach helping you in these areas, you're going to find that your mood is so much better. Um, I think that's a really, really important point, especially, as you said after the pandemic, with the mental and emotional wellbeing has been severely affected for so many people. And I, I mean, I can speak from personal and professional experience as a coach as to the efficacy of the coaching, uh, you know, program in terms of mental and emotional health. Um, and I think, you know, you're right in the sense that, you know, there's so much of suffering can be prevented. It's not just when they already have full blown depression, anxiety, etc.. And and again, they some, some, you know, some people will need medical interventions and that's fine. But so many others could benefit from coaching in terms of prevention of these kind of, uh, you know, this kind of pain and suffering. So, so yeah. So that's that's really critical. Uh, one one thing I, you know, just struck me when you were talking, is that, uh, what do you what are you seeing in, you know, in the this is I'm actually personally interested in the field of AI and coaching. I mean, how do you think that's going to sort of pan out? What are you seeing? What are the trends? I would love to know. Sure. So I read about this a lot in the book because seems like every company, uh, Apple and Samsung and Whoop and Aura, the aura ring, they are all developing an AI health coach. And here's the problem. That the they are providing advice. You know they'll they'll ping you about you know our our ask about uh, some something that you can keep tuning out, you know, like did you, did you go for a walk today or they will look at your sleep data and then they will say, this is what you need to be doing. And so the premise, if coaching is misunderstood, when you read some of the press releases and interviews about, they're excited about what's in development, but it's not really coaching because coaching is a human interaction. It doesn't have to be face to face. It can be virtual, or it can even be even just on the phone, for example, that's been shown to be powerful, but it's knowing that here's a human being who cares for you, and it would be the you know, I liken it to the experience and we've all been there, I'm sure, where you are trying to get customer service and a big company, maybe it's a cell phone company and and you are just, uh, given a bot does it talk to and you're trying to say, representative, I need to speak to. I had that with an airline that my flight was delayed or potentially cancelled, and I called and, uh, the, the, the messaging that I was getting was not meeting my needs. And so, um, you know, often people raised their yelling, representative, I need to speak to a human representative. And that delight you feel when are you real human being comes on the phone and says, hello, this, you know, how am I you you hear that human voice? Um, and also groups, you know, you mentioned you, the group a bot, an AI health coach is not going to lead a group, for example. So again, it's a hard centered communication, but also that there can be a role as we are getting information from our wearables and the that can be very helpful. So it's not either or. It's a human touch a human health coach combined with the best of technology in AI. And yes, it's it's actually a combination. And I think the other thing that I wanted to explore a little bit more is the community part, because we haven't really talked about that. The group coaching, I know you talk about it in the book and I you know, I know that it works amazingly, especially when someone's going through a health crisis or has been dealing with a chronic condition for a long time. It is really can be really isolating. It can be really lonely because and I've had clients like that and they tell me that, you know, because I look fine from outside. Nobody really understands what I'm going through. And I think coaching can be a really powerful tool community. I mean, that's the that's the point I was making. If you can just share a bit about that, anything. Uh. Oh, absolutely. Community, I think, is the key to wellbeing. When Dan Buettner studied the blue zones, those are areas around the world where people live long, healthy lives. And what is in common is that they are all strongly focused on community. We are social beings and the ability to get together with others. And so there are several levels of this. One would be eating in community versus eating alone. I was at an event and I went out to one of the restaurants nearby, and so I was eating alone, and then somebody at the next table recognized me. She was somebody who was also at the conference, and she said, oh, don't eat alone. Come and join us. Night and day. I'm sure my I just improved because I was eating with others. And so having that community and often finding your community because, you know, I'm 75 and often it's hard to find community. Uh, many people are getting sick. They have ailments, many friends have passed away. And so your community narrows. And this is a big problem with older individuals. Um, but people who are social, people who go out and, uh, it's more important than, um, than the food you're eating. For example, it is, uh, having that, that community activities that you love. So when you pair it, I'm, I take ballet dancing. That's like, we have a good community. We have get togethers. Um, I'm in a craft circle where we will get together once a month. People bring their knitting or needlepoint and. And it's just sitting around and people for hundreds of years. That's what they did. They sat around together. They had sewing circles and supported in that way. So, uh, and then there's the community that's formed with a health coach facilitating the group, because that's how change happens so effectively, because you may be hesitant or you think, but when you see others in the group changing how they're eating, for example. Oh, and then you might say, well, if she can do it, I can as well. And also you. You feel like you're not alone, that you can share something that's going on and you thought you were the only one experiencing that, and you hear others saying, oh yeah, me too. That happened to me too. And so it is so reinforcing for your healing journey. Um, and when you are sharing that, I was, you know, thinking back to where I was about 11, 12 years ago when I was dealing with my daughter's health issues and I, and I was telling someone the other day that I wish I had a health coach back then. It would have really helped me. I mean, I, I did it on my own. It took two years. I had the guidance of a functional medicine practitioner, and he's coming on the podcast very soon. He was really, really helpful. But, uh, he's based in the UK actually. But however, if I had a health coach at that time and I'm talking about 2014, 15, 16, 17, it would have really, really helped. And that's the reason I, you know, I wanted to talk about this a bit more. So, um, sort of just coming rounding up our conversation about coaching, about Fmcsa. And, you know, I'm always excited to talk about coaching. I can talk for hours literally about coaching and how it works so well. So for, uh, for our audience who feel, uh, so one one part is for our audience who feel, you know, who feel called to become a health coach. What is the next best first step, uh, that they can, um, you know, explore, uh, for to reach out to FMC and, uh, for those seeking support in their healing, uh, how can they, uh, you know, what is the best way that they can find the health coach, uh, as well. I mean, I would like. Sure. Yeah. Well, both can go to our website. That's functional medicine coaching. And they can get an information packet. They can get an appointment with one of our admissions team members. And if this if you are inspired to work with a health coach, um, of course there's you. If you would be a good fit. Um, but, um, if depending on where you are and you're what your needs are and what specialty you're interested in, you can go to again, functional medicine coaching. Find a coach. And we have a directory of people all over the world, and you can find somebody that would meet your needs. Oh thank you. So I know that in India now there are quite a few coaches. There were there was hardly anyone when I, I started and one of my clients became a coach. Actually I don't know whether I share that. Yeah. She she became she became sick in the process. So that's how transformative the coaching process is. And yeah. And anything that you would like to share that I haven't asked you or any, you know, I would love for you to sort of bring it all together. Sure. Well, well, one other thing. If somebody is listening and they're thinking, I would like to get a coach, I would like to hire a coach for my employees. Or maybe I'm a doctor and. I am burnt out and I have so many patients struggling with chronic illnesses. You can go to our website and we have a section for practitioners, and you can submit a job request. Or you can go to our find a coach. And we have a job board for our graduates. And we have again more and more companies, doctors hiring coaches, but coaches, how people go from where they are to where they want to be. And it literally can transform lives. And that's why I've seen this hundreds of times over and over again, people who are becoming coaches. And you can do this even if you say, well, I'm going to continue my current work. We have people who coach on the side or who add coaching skills into what they are already doing in their work, or just want the person of the information for themselves and their family. Yeah, they're actually quite a few people who do that who end up doing the program because they want that information to help their family. They may not be coaching anyone else, but that's such a powerful conversation. Sandra, uh, you know, it's a coaching is so transformative. It changed my life. It transformed our life. Let me just use that word. And now, with the ripple effect, it's changing so many, so many other lives. It has over the years. And I am so thankful that, you know, the FMC became a part of my journey all those years. And this is my way of giving back and sharing this message with my audience. And, you know, thank you so much, Sandra, for coming here today and sharing these powerful words. Well, thank you. Thank you for finding FMC for all those years ago and all the wonderful work you have done and are continuing to do and will do. Thank you. Thank you so much.